This article originally written by Greg Durel (found at Reaching Catholics for Christ)
was referred to me by a friend, we both agreed that this was poorly researched. But I felt
it was a good opportunity to answer some of the more common Protestant misunderstandings
about the priesthood.
(Greg Durel)
As a Roman Catholic for over a quarter of a
century, I said those words often. For the unlearned, they are said at the beginning of
every trip to the confessional where a Catholic goes to seek absolution for their sins.
Mr Durel, starts off by informing his
readers that he is an apostate Catholic Church of which he had been a member for 25 years.
Greg informs us of this hoping we will draw the following conclusions:
A. After being a Catholic for 25 years he
is well aware of the structure the Catholic Church and its teachings.
B. Now, after 25 years of being a Catholic
he knows (believes) that the church is wrong and are teaching.
C. That he has found the truth.
Throughout this article we shall
examine these three points more closely.It is always sad when we find someone
like Greg, the idea of people leaving the truth to the church
founded by God to become apostates is nothing new,the Bible tells us about people like
Greg:
But he that shall deny me before men,I will also deny him
before my Father who is in heaven.---Matt. x. 33
As Saint Augustine (died A.D. 430) said
"No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church
one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have the sacraments,
one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father
and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation
except in the Catholic Church." (Sermo ad Caesariensis Ecclesia plebem)
( Greg Durel)
For the unlearned again, Roman Catholicism
teaches that a Catholic priest has the power to forgive sins. For those that doubted this,
Pope John Paul II reaffirmed this teaching in the first years of his papacy. Hence the
petition "bless me, Father."
the power of forgiving sin, for the exercise of which the
priesthood is just as necessary as it is for the power of consecrating and sacrificing.
Like the general power to bind and to loose (cf. Matt., xvi, 19; xviii, 18), the power of
remitting and retaining sins was solemnly bestowed on the Church by Christ (cf. John, xx,
21 sqq.). Accordingly, the Catholic priesthood has the indisputable right to trace its
origin in this respect also to the Divine Founder of the Church.
This was clearly understood by the early or Christians, as
we read in the first century Didache [A.D. 70], a writing attributed to the
apostles.
"Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your
prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . . On the Lord's Day gather
together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your
sacrifice may be pure" (Didache 4:14, 14:1).
( Greg Durel)
The Catholic is seeking favor from the
priest himself. Now the Bible prohibits the addressing of any person as "Father"
in the spiritual sense. Yes, you may address your biological father as such but NOT
someone in a religious context. For the Lord Jesus is very clear on the subject: "And
call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven"
(Matt. 23:9 (KJV). In the context of the chapter He is clearly referring to men assuming
the role that only God the Father has a right to.
"Call no one your father as if you had no other father
with rights over you." That is, we must realize that all paternity is of God, and
that we owe our being, and all that we have, including our earthly father, to Him. Nor can
any claims of an earthly father avail against our duties to God, our heavenly Father.
Meantime, Catholics do not call a Priest "Father" in the same sense as that in
which they call God their Father. A Priest, by Gods Providence and by the authority
of Christ, is a father in the spiritual sense, just as a natural parent is a father in an
earthly sense. By administering Baptism he gives spiritual life to a soul; he nourishes
that life by conferring the Sacraments; he warns, teaches, helps with his advice,
corrects, and does all in the spiritual life that an earthly father does in the temporal
order. So much so that St. Paul attributes a true paternity to himself, saying, "I
admonish you as my dearest children... for in Christ Jesus, by the Gospel, I have begotten
you." I. Corinthians,, 4:14.
( Greg Durel)
So the very thought of a person being
addressed as your spiritual "father" is unbiblical to say the least. Referring
to a person as THE HOLY FATHER is blasphemous at best. It does not take a rocket scientist
to see the path that Rome puts its sheep on.
By this meant no human may be given the HONOR and respect
due to God the father. St. Paul tells us that he is our spiritual father.
"For though you have countless guides in Christ, you
do not have many Father, For I became you Father in Christ Jesus through the
Gospel"(1 Cor. 4-15)
It does not take a rocket scientist to see
that Greg Durel has not studied the Bible thoroughly or he certainly would have known this
( Greg Durel)
From the get-go they are taught that the
priest is something special, holier than thou and certainly closer to God than a mere lay
person. The Baltimore catechism teaches that when a priest puts on his vestments he
becomes an "alter christus," i.e, another Christ. Then you see the priest
you are seeing Jesus Christ as well. In the minds of many Roman Catholics the parish
priest is sacrosanct and above reproach.
No where Does the Catholic Church teach
that the priest is"holier than thou and certainly closer to God than a mere lay
person" or that the priest is "sacrosanct and above reproach". As Catholics
we do not give any "special" respect to the person, but rather to the office of
the priesthood. Similar to the way we as citizens give respect to a Judge, does being a
judge mean he is a better person or citizen than we are? of course not, neither does being
a priest make one Holy than a lay person. it is the office of the priesthood which we
respect, unlike the judge who receives his authority and responsibility from a earthly
civil government the priest receives his authority and responsibility from Christ and his
church. it is for this reason scripture says:
Obey them that have the rule over you and submit
yourselves: for they watch for your souls as they that must give account, that they may do
it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.---Heb. 13, 17:
( Greg Durel)
Remember that it is a priest and only a
priest that can change the bread and wine of the Lords table into the literal body,
blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I agree, but allow me to rephrase this
statement:
Only a CATHOLIC priest that can change the
bread and wine of the Lords table into the literal body, blood, soul and divinity of
the Lord Jesus Christ.
The fact that the Eucharist is the
literal body, blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ was clearly understood and
taught by the early Christians. Such as St.Ignatius of Antioch who was
appointed by the Apostle St. Peter to be the Bishop of Antioch.(Theodoret "Dial.
Immutab.", I, iv, 33a, Paris, 1642) St. John Chrysostom lays special emphasis
on the honor conferred upon the martyr (St. Ignatius) in receiving his episcopal
consecration at the hands of the Apostles themselves ("Hom. in St. Ig.", IV.
587). Natalis Alexander quotes Theodoret to the same effect (III, xii, art. xvi, p. 53).
St. Ignatius of Antioch [A.D. 110]
"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the
pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who
was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love
incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3). and "Take note of those who
hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how
contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and
from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior
Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness,
raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" (Letter
to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1).
( Greg Durel)
What if there were no priests or
priesthood? To put the answer very simply, there would
be no Roman Catholic Church. If the Bible were ever to become authoritative in the
Catholic Church, there would certainly be no priests.
Did not saint Paul tell us that
Christ is the high Priest? Would it not be safe to say that with out Christ (the HIGH
PRIEST) and the order of priesthood which he establish there would be no
christianity, church or Bible? Did Christ establish a church or a book? where the Bible
does Christ command writing of a book? is the Church a product of the book of the book
product of the Church? the answer is simple Christ established the Catholic Church the
Catholic Church wrote and produced the Bible. It is for this reason St. Augustine
[A.D. 397] , Bishop of Hippo Stated:
"I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of
the Catholic Church did not move me to do so." (St. Augustine, Conra Epist. Fundam.
i,6)
( Greg Durel)
An example of the complete disregard for
the sacred Scripture held by the Roman Catholic Church is seen in the mandatory requisite
of celibacy for every priest. One simply must read Pauls epistle to Timothy, where
God gives the requirements for a Pastor: "A bishop, then must be blameless, the
husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to
teach" (1 Tim. 3:2).
This is simply false. The Bible no where states that all
Bishops "must be married," it states that they can be married "but
once." It is not a statement to the effect that every Bishop must have a wife,
for even St. Paul himself did not have a wife, but that no one is to become a Bishop who
has been married more than once.
( Greg Durel)
Now the phrase "must be" is very
interesting. Maybe you have seen it before in the Bible. Perhaps in the third chapter of
the Gospel of John? Do you remember what Jesus said to Nicodemus? He said, "you must
be born again." Now I am sure that no respectable Roman Catholic theologian would
deny the fact that this command is obligatory. The new birth is NOT optional! The language
in 1 Timothy 3:2 is the same as in John 3. Therefore the pastor must be a MARRIED MAN.
No the Scripture says "then must
be blameless," it does not say "must be a MARRIED MAN" as I pointed out
above St. Paul who wrote this letter to Timothy himself did not have a wife surely if St.
Paul commanded all bishops to be married he himself would be a hypocrite. The
Apostle's desire was that other men might be as himself (I Cor., vii, 7-8),
precludes the inference that he wished all ministers of the Gospel to be married. The
words beyond doubt mean that the fitting candidate was a man, who, amongst other qualities
which St. Paul enunciates as likely to make his authority respected, possessed also such
stability of divorce, by remaining faithful to one wife. The direction is therefore
restrictive, no injunctive; it excludes men who have married more than once, but it does
not impose marriage as a necessary condition.
( Greg Durel)
How clear is that? There is nothing like
the word of God to clear up a religious education. Do you realize the impact of this
truth? There is only one "church" where NONE of its pastors are married. Not
only are they not married, but also the Roman Catholic Church forbids them being
married.
It is interesting to note here that
Mr. Durel clearly has never taken the time to learn about our Faith during his 25 years as
a Catholic, if he had he would know there ARE married priests in the Oriental Churches in
communion with the Holy See, we may note that as a general principle married clerics are
not ineligible for the subdiaconate, diaconate, and priesthood. As in the Russian Church
they must either be married in accordance with the canons, or else as a preliminary to
ordination they are asked whether they will promise to observe chastity. The full
recognition of the right of the Oriental clergy to retain their wives will be found in the
Constitution of Benedict XIV, "Etsi pastoralis", 26 May, 1742. For more on the
subject please read the Catholic Encyclopedia, article on "Celibacy of the Clergy".
( Greg Durel)
Now the Bible has something to say about
anyone that would forbid a pastor from being married: "Now the Spirit speaketh
expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their
conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain
from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which
believe and know the truth (1 Tim. 4:1-3).
The Catholic Church DOES NOT FORBIDE
marriage, on the contrary we hold marriage in extremely high regard, a holy sacrament. Greg Durel has fallen into
a basic misunderstanding of the Catholic Church, only in the Roman right do priests not
marry. These youn men choose on their own to abstain from marriage on their own free will.
upon being accepted in the priesthood of the Catholic Church these men announce this
personal choice in the form of a promise to God, the Catholic Church only requires that
these priests hold to this promise.
"He Speaks of the Gnostics, the
Marcionites, the Encratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics,who absolutely
condemned marriage,and the use of all Kind of meat: because they pretended that all flesh
was from an evil principal. whereas the church of God, so far from condemning marriage,
holds it a holy sacrament; and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the
better part: and prohibits no the use of any meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons;
though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and
penance."(footnote to the Douay-Rheims Bible)
( Greg Durel)
If you believe the Word of God you must
then reject the Roman Catholic Church. For their Doctrines are of devils and completely
contrary to the Bible. At best you must reject this absurd notion of a celibate
priesthood, which in turn makes the teaching magisterium of the church no longer
infallible, but in fact heretical and therefore should be rejected.
Above we see that if, gives us a list of
accusations which he believes "you must" accept and "should be"
accepted, but fails to prove any of them. Mr. Durel has the gaul to command that you
"reject the Roman Catholic Church. For their Doctrines are of devils and
completely contrary to the Bible" history tells us that was the Catholic Church which
created the Bible and has protected throughout the centuries. Mr. Durel has been to be
completely unable and prove that the Roman Catholic doctors Doctrines contrary to the
Bible, rather we see that it is Mr. Durel who has twisted the words and sacred stricture
for his own purposes, and in doing so has turned sacred truth into lies. it is to Mr.
Durel that we repeat the words of Christ:
Do not be liars against the truth. This is not the wisdom
that descends from above. It is earthly sensual, devilish---James 3:1-15
Mr. Durel says that"At best you must
reject this absurd notion of a celibate priesthood" but he has been unable to prove
that notion of a celibate priesthood is "absurd" after all St. Paul himself was
celibate, would Mr. Durel consider St. Paul "absurd" ? Christ who sacred
scripture tells us is the hight priest was celibate , would Mr. Durel DARE call Christ
"absurd" ? one must keep in mind that Mr. Durel accuses the sacred priesthood
which Christ founded as being "absurd". Considering these things it becomes
obvious it is not the Catholic Church but Mr. Durel who's "Doctrines are of devils
and completely contrary to the Bible"
( Greg Durel)
The Bible and a Sacrificing, Mediating
Priesthood. The Council of Trent declared (loc. cit.,
n. 961)"If anyone saith that there is not in the New Testament a visible and external
priesthood; or, that there is not any power of consecrating and offering the true body and
blood of the Lord, and forgiving and retaining sins, but only an office and bare ministry
of preaching THE GOSPEL; OR, THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT PREACH ARE NOT priests at all: let him
be anathema."
The Council of Trent also decreed (Sess. XXIII, can. iii,
in Denzinger, n. 963): "If any one shall say that order or sacred ordination is not
truly and properly a sacrament instituted by Christ our Lord. . .let him be
anathema."
( Greg Durel)
It seems clear that Rome knows that if she
has no priesthood that she must close up shop.
As we have shown above if there were no priesthood there
would be no Christianity and no Bible. the priesthood forms so indispensable a foundation
of Christianity that its removal would entail the destruction of the whole edifice. A
Christianity without a priesthood cannot be the Church of Christ.
( Greg Durel)
Let us prove that there is no sacrificing
priesthood in the New Testament from their scholars.
The Catholic Encyclopedia says: "THE
DIVINE INSTITUTION OF THE THREEFOLD HIERARCHY CANNOT OF COURSE BE DERIVED FROM OUR TEXT:
IN FACT IT CANNOT IN ANY WAY BE PROVED DIRECTLY FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT: IT IS A CATHOLIC
DOGMA BY VIRTUE OF THE DOGMATIC TRADITION. I.E., IN A LATER PERIOD OF ECCLESIASTICAL
HISTORY
.BUT DOGMATIC TRUTH CANNOT BE TRACED BACK TO CHRIST HIMSELF BY ANALYSIS OF
STRICT HISTORICAL TESTIMONY."
It is important to note that Mr Durel
does not reference which article out of hundreds in the Catholic encyclopedia he found
this quotation, he does this for the specific reason that he has mis-cited it. below I
have provided the exact citation from the Encyclopedia and a link to the article for those
who wish to verify the exact wording of this citation:
"The Divine institution of the threefold hierarchy
cannot of course be derived from our texts; in fact it cannot in any way be proved
directly from the New Testament; it is Catholic dogma by virtue of dogmatic tradition,
i.e. in a later period of ecclesiastical history the general belief in the
Divine institution of the episcopate, presbyterate, and diaconate can be verified and
thence be followed on through the later centuries. But this dogmatic truth
cannot be traced back to Christ Himself by analysis of strictly historical
testimony."(The Catholic Encyclopedia,
Volume VII Copyright © 1910, Hierarchy
of the Early Church )
Mr Durel, chopped out the sentence
where the Catholic Encyclopedia states the general belief in the Divine institution
of the presbyterate (priesthood) can be verified. This type of dishonesty is
apparent throughout this article. In order to twist the truth in a vain attempt to
discredit the Catholic Church Mr Durel
has degraded to the level of lying. The word priest is derived from the Greek word
presbyteros as is explained in the Catholic Encyclopedia:
The word priest (Germ. Priester; Fr. prêtre;
Ital. prete) is derived from the Greek presbyteros (the elder,
as distinguished from neoteros, the younger), and is, in the hieratical sense,
equivalent to the Latin sacerdos, the Greek iereus, and the Hebrew kahane.
(The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XII
Copyright © 1911, Priesthood)
Let us prove that there is sacrificing
priesthood in the New Testament from the same scholars Mr Durel quotes The Catholic Encyclopedia:
The proof of the Divine origin of the Catholic priesthood
must be regarded as established, once it is shown that the Eucharistic Sacrifice of the
Mass is coeval with the beginnings and the essence of Christianity. In proof of this we
may appeal even to the Old Testament. When the Prophet Isaias foresees the entrance of
pagans into the Messianic Kingdom, he makes the calling of priests from the heathen (i.e.
the non-Jews) a special characteristic of the new Church (Is., lxvi, 21): "And I will
take of them to be priests and Levites, saith the Lord". Now this non-Jewish
(Christian) priesthood in the future Messianic Church presupposes a permanent sacrifice,
namely that "clean oblation", which from the rising of the sun even to the going
down is to be offered to the Lord of hosts among the Gentiles (Mal., i, 11). The sacrifice
of bread and wine offered by Melchisedech (cf. Gen., xiv, 18 sqq.), the prototype of
Christ (cf. Ps. cix, 4; Heb., v, 5 sq.; vii, 1 sqq.), also refers prophetically, not only
to the Last Supper, but also to its everlasting repetition in commemoration of the
Sacrifice of the Cross (see MASS). Rightly, therefore, does the Council of Trent emphasize
the intimate connection between the Sacrifice of the Mass and the priesthood (Sess. XXIII,
cap. i, in Denzinger, "Enchiridion", 10th ed., 957): "Sacrifice and
priesthood are by Divine ordinance so inseparable that they are found together under all
laws. Since therefore in the New Testament the Catholic Church has received from the
Lord's institution the holy visible sacrifice of the Eucharist it must also be admitted
that in the Church there is a new, visible and external priesthood into which the older
priesthood has been changed." Surely this logic admits of no reply. It is, then, all
the more extraordinary that Harnack should seek the origin of the hierarchical
constitution of the Church, not in Palestine, but in pagan Rome. Of the Catholic Church he
writes: "She continues ever to govern the peoples; her popes lord it like Trajan and
Marcus Aurelius. To Romulus and Remus succeeded Peter and Paul; to the proconsuls the
archbishops and bishops. To the legions correspond the hosts of priests and monks; to the
imperial bodyguard the Jesuits. Even to the finest details, even to her judicial
organization, nay even to her very vestments, the continued influence of the ancient
empire and of its institutions may be traced" ("Das Wesen d. Christentums",
Leipzig, 1902, p. 157). With the best of good will, we can recognize in this description
only a sample of the writer's ingenuity, for an historical investigation of the cited
institutions would undoubtedly lead to sources, beginnings, and motives entirely different
from the analogous conditions of the Empire of Rome. (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume
XII Copyright © 1911)
( Greg Durel)
What an admission!
YES, What an admission!
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